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Post  Cyrus-HHO Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:05 pm

John Kanzius
http://www.rustumroy.com/SaltWater.wmv
This was later presented to Rustum Roy for confirmation.

Dr. Hans Jenny in his study of Cymatics - study of matters pertaining to waves. A great video showing frequency DOING WORK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY6z2hLgYuY

More on effect of frequency on matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu6Ox5LrhJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiUuCbeKAus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCXZF3NiPIk

HHO blow torches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx9uoixkyAg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx9uoixkyAg
http://hytechapps.com/aquygen

for laughs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqGbE9yLLA4

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Post  Gentlemansteve Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:10 am

I came up with a theory that something can be broke if it vibrates at the correct frequency. The correct frequency I believe is the frequency it resonates at. I seen a episode where The MythBusters was trying to break glass with sound. But they had to blast the glass with a blast of sound to shatter it. I believe if they found at what frequency the glass resonated at and matched it then it would break the molecules of the glass and it would separate each and ever molecules of glass causing it to separate the bond that holds the Glass together. I think water will do the same. I think once you find at what frequency water resonates at it will separate the molecules of the water and the water will break into or make it separate back into Hydrogen and oxygen. I think you need to find what frequency the water resonates at and match it. The Mythbusters shattered the glass with sound. They supper ceded the correct frequency and it broke by brute force. To break water you will have to find what it resonates at then match it cause if you supper cede it then it will heat the water instead of breaking it and it will do what is done in the microwave ovens. We do not want that. we want to match the resonate frequency of water..

Thats my Theory anyway.

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Post  Cyrus-HHO Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:28 am

You're on to a theory that's close to what I came up with.

Is that the correct frequency can equally balance out each hydrogen atom in solution of water molecules. Electrons shared in a rapidly alternating current would help to balance the outer shell of each atom, being balanced the small amount of electric energy would be enough to disassociate the hydrogen and oxygen.
For that cause I am looking to use the research data of rustum roy in a stan meyer's set up. I'll be sure to take pictures as tomorrow I will be finishing construction of my cell and will begin testing the resistance of different percentages of H2O-NaCl solutions with a very nice volt meter i bought. With that info I will be able to construct my own frequency generating circuit (transistor based) to duplicate Rustum Roy's 13.56 MHz Frequency.

Good stuff.
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Post  Gentlemansteve Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:12 am

I had an Idea on a new system that would implement Stans work, Roys work and Andrija Puharich work.

Instead of using circuits to control everything. Have the sound frequency done with a frequency generator but have it hooked to a Lazar beam that shines on a light sensitive light switch. Something like those the old film projectors had that made the sound by the light flashing off the film that fell on the light sensitive thing that made the sound come out. But instead of having the sound have it hooked to a circuit that controls the voltage to the cell. that way you can change the frequency very easily and you will have more experimenting with what frequency works best. I guess you could do the same thing with a speaker and micro switch and every time the speaker pulsed out it would deliver voltage to the cell that way. Or just place the magnet and speaker coil on a switch and that way what ever frequency the speaker wire coil and magnet moves in would deliver it to a switch that would aply voltage to the cell the same way. Multiple options here. The cell could be anything from electricity to tubes or coils of wire around the tubes to create a radiowave generator.

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Post  Cyrus-HHO Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:17 am

I guess it really depends on how you want to produce the frequency. The issue is finding a way to do it yourself, because to buy a frequency generator cost about a grand, for an old one, and about 3 grand, for something current.

Have you seen the movie, Stroke of Genius? He repeats to his kids when he is building the circuit for the windshield wipers, "simpler the better"

My interest also in keeping the set up as simple as possible is the idea that this eventually needs to go into a car. Less moving parts the better.

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Post  Gentlemansteve Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:22 am

Have not seen it. Maybe a CD player playing the CD with frequencies on it LOL Check the Chatbox out

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Post  Cyrus-HHO Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:37 pm

Gentlemansteve wrote:Have not seen it. Maybe a CD player playing the CD with frequencies on it LOL Check the Chatbox out

got to keep in mind that frequency does not always refer to sound. Sound uses frequency, frequency does not always use sound. Such as an alternating current. It's called that because it alternates the directing of the current. How often does that current back and forth? that's frequency and is still measured in Hz.

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Post  Gentlemansteve Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:00 pm

Yes that goes back to what I said about the old film projectors that work off light hitting a little sensor that makes the sound. Instead of it making sound it can work a light switch to apply voltage a different frequencies. Think about the night light that come on when it get dark. You have something like that but when the light hits the thing it makes the relay give power just as the frequencies of the sound controls the light circuit.

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Post  ElCapitan Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:57 pm

Steve you are right. I seen an experiment with a radio, Old film projector and a flash light.

They had the flash light hooked to the radio's speaker thing and shined it on the film projector's light sensor and they was able to shine the flash light beam at the sensor on the film projector and it made sound just like it would have done coming out of a speaker on the radio. I think what you are suggesting might just work.

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Post  Gentlemansteve Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:57 pm

Yes that experiment isn't knew to me that is why I suggested that. If you can convert the frequencies from sound to light to electricity this way you could use that to make electricity pulse just like the frequency of the sound does and it will be something like electricity frequency thing. The water will pulse with the sound as the sound is converted from sound to light to electricity and the rods and coils will pulse any kind of frequency you apply to it.

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Post  ElCapitan Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:27 am

I think we got the picture Steve. We just have to hear from somebody that actually knows if this would work. We are just guessing now until we can test it and see for our selves

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Post  Cyrus-HHO Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:27 am

I interviewed an electrical engineering teacher a month ago. He was the one that told me that a transistor based circuit would be the best and simplest way to achieve the kind of frequency I want to put through my system. (13.56 MHz which is 13,560,000 Hz, far beyond audible sound and the capability of most speakers)

This bring up a good point, I have audio recording devices I could record my next interview...

Btw I should have pics of my cell up later today. Just a traditional electrolysis rig at this point until I build my circuit board. I will be taking pics and drawing up a do it yourself guide based on my notes and final product.

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Post  Gentlemansteve Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:35 pm

Shucks My dream down again. I will test a different setup any way. So roy used GZ 13.56 range?

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Post  Cyrus-HHO Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:17 pm

Gentlemansteve wrote:Shucks My dream down again. I will test a different setup any way. So roy used GZ 13.56 range?

no, he used 13.56 MHz "mega hertz" in a polarized RF field

1 gigahertz = 1 000 000 000 hertz

1 megahertz = 1 000 000 hertz

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Post  Gentlemansteve Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:34 pm

OK I got it backwards.

I was thinking that HZ was 1-999

And KHZ was 1,000-999,999

and MHZ was 1,000,000-9,999,999

And

GHZ was 1,000,000,000-9,999,999,999

I am such a retard. I must have seen it wrong

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Post  Gentlemansteve Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:38 pm

What actually is a polarized RF field?

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Post  Cyrus-HHO Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:51 pm

what you just said is actually all true, but not what you typed in before when you said 13.56 GZ (which should have been GHz) was what was wrong...

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Post  Cyrus-HHO Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:52 pm

Gentlemansteve wrote:What actually is a polarized RF field?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization

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Post  Gentlemansteve Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:00 pm

Cyrus-HHO wrote:what you just said is actually all true, but not what you typed in before when you said 13.56 GZ (which should have been GHz) was what was wrong...

Yes sometimes I think I got a touch of ADD and a touch of dyslexia. I sometimes see stuff backwards than they are

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Post  Gentlemansteve Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:04 pm

Cyrus-HHO wrote:
Gentlemansteve wrote:What actually is a polarized RF field?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization

Thanks. I am still learning things again.

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Post  Cyrus-HHO Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:07 pm

Its the same way I started. Just keep at it.

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